[nodel-discuss] nodel news mailing list july experiment proposal

Wed Oct 7 17:31:31 CEST 2009

hi alex and all,

thanks for the comments... all good points and they'll get attention.

for now, i'd like to make one more general comment:

yes, in visual terms the data is very un-explored.  but i'd turn your
main point around a bit:

what data sets would you (and others) like exposed in "raw" form? and
what might that "raw" form be?

we discussed this in the very first meeting: maybe enabling people to
make lots of different visualisations of the data would be the most
interesting way to go.  certainly we discussed how the "map", and the
google map in particular can be very over-determining. all the data is
there.. how shall we expose it to applications via urls?  xml? json?
something else??

you have mentioned a few sets of data already. what else? any comments
from others?

best to all,

lisa

(remember you can also now access these discussions at:
http://nodel.southspace.org/discussion/forums/discuss)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, alex haw <alexhawchecksmail at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> hi guys,
>
> good to see a bunch at the nodel meeting last night.
> great work on the website lisa.
> i thought i'd give very brief feedback, & will try to not make the
> suggestions too graphics-obsessed ;) :
> please forgive my forthright opinionatedness (& neologism) ;)
>
> 1 could we simplify HEADINGS into just ~ LON & ME - top ands bottom -
>     lists on left have awkward middle section that seems to me to fit above
> (eg RSS feed as tab next to events, 'discuss' belonging to node.london
> too...)
>
> 2 the MAP is to me the crucial core of this all - the web of our nodes, our
> collector - but lost right now.
>    i'd suggest (graphics, i know) having it as a transparent underlay to the
> main page, and as generally our core focus rather than dreaded reams of text
> (like this ;)) -
>    london's our playing field, our centre of operations, our hub, our
> gameboard and meeting point, and it'd be great to see that visualised
> immediately, at a glance;
>    if people spend on average 20secs max on webpages, how can we get them to
> get  sense of our extent and complexity and interest at first glance?
>    shouldn't the idea of a 'homepage' conevy the networks of our homes?
>
> 3 all the components of top list - nodel or LON or whatever - could then be
> clicked on to appear on the map, like layers in Google Earth etc;
>    a time slider could scrub through events from past to future;
>    a 'network' graphic could actually SHOW interconectivity, linking artists
> to venues and events and groups etc;
>    this all seems to be currently radically underrealised, given the data is
> or will be there
>
> 4 would be great to visualise nodel REAL-TIME; who's online, which groups
> are meeting NOW, which SHOWS & PROJECTS are up...
>    (NB1 a simple idea though complex code would be to have the map navigable
> in 3D so that the 'plane' of london is a real-time slice,
>    and as you tilt you see events past beneath it and future events floating
> above it, all extruded from the locations they'll happen at.
>    something deep undergound took place years ago; a high balloon is to come
> but far off and a tall extrusion will continue for a while, etc.)
>    (NB2 if geo-location seems to be over-specific, passe and fetishistic, at
> least it conveys more than minimal rectangles and this version privileges
> temporality equally)
>
>
> on the nodel season, i like the ideas being generated; graphically, i note
> that the word IN is already IN resIdeNce, and attach a very crap sk of this.
> note also - a million others doubtless have already - that the 'IO of 2010
> is v binary and on/off -
> nice metaphor for the co-located switch between dormancy and action, in and
> out, us & them all belonging on the same plane, toggling to and fro....
>
> my best, alex
>
>
>
>
> alex haw . .: atmos :. . 14 bacon st. london e1 6lf uk. +44 (0)7815 040 619
> skype: atmos-alexhaw
>
> ________________________________
> From: lisa haskel <lisa at southspace.org>
> To: Saul Albert <saul at theps.net>
> Cc: nodel-discuss at one.server1.org
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 11:13:10
> Subject: Re: [nodel-discuss] nodel news mailing list july experiment
> proposal
>
> hi saul, all,
>
> I think if we put our heads together to work out what we really need
> we can automate alot of this, eg. all discuss or announce posts going
> to a drupal forum, people choosing to receive updates either by email
> or rss, possibly also tagging and categorisation.
>
> We will need to think about the implications for the drupal site, eg.
> determine what are the kinds of posts that will come and and where
> should they go (announcements to be added to the calendar,
> discussions, calls for proposals etc) ? we will need to make sure that
> the web site is a suitable container for all of these.  Will we need
> to migrate all list members to the drupal site (quite possible if we
> decide its necessary)?  How shall we tag the new content coming in by
> email?
>
> There will be other questions for the site that will come up.  I can
> research this and shall we discuss on july 8th?
>
> Its a desirable plan for sure and i completely agree that the mailing
> list is a great strength; from my point of view, we should make sure
> that the site can handle this new content flow nicely before embarking
> on this. it should not be difficult but requires thought and a little
> work.
>
> bests
> lisa
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Saul Albert<saul at theps.net> wrote:
>> Dear nodel-discuss people,
>>
>> There are currently 81 nodel-discuss subscribers. There are currently
>> over 600 subscribers to news-l, node london's announcement list.  This
>> is actually the major asset of node.london as a cultural entity.
>>
>> Although it is possible to follow both lists as RSS feeds via a
>> mail->rss service (see http://wiki.nodel.org), it seems like a good idea
>> to migrate all event/call/announcements to the website, and to
>> consolidate the discussions on the site too.
>>
>> So - I have a proposal that will require some volunteer time from some
>> of you, and could be discussed here.
>>
>> I propose that for the month of July, we close down the news-l
>> announcement list, and a group of volunteer moderators posts those
>> events to the new node.london website, then sends a digest to the list.
>> It might look something like: http://tinyurl.com/nq77jo
>>
>> This will involve:
>>
>> - Someone (you?) signing up to be a guest moderator, and receiving about
>>  10 emails, then posting them to a website. It should take 1-2 hours.
>>
>> - Transferring the node.london test website from
>>  http://nodel.southspace.org to the main domain (nodel.org), or
>>  beta.nodel.org or something
>>
>> - Someone (you?) responding to all emails to the announcement list,
>>  encouraging people to post directly to the website next time.
>>
>> What do people think? Would anyone volunteer to be a guest moderator
>> for the month of July?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Saul.
>>
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