[nodel-discuss] nodel news mailing list july experiment proposal

Wed Oct 7 18:09:17 CEST 2009

lisa haskel said :
> hi alex and all,
> 
> thanks for the comments... all good points and they'll get attention.
> 
> for now, i'd like to make one more general comment:
> 
> yes, in visual terms the data is very un-explored.  but i'd turn your
> main point around a bit:
> 
> what data sets would you (and others) like exposed in "raw" form? and
> what might that "raw" form be?
> 
> we discussed this in the very first meeting: maybe enabling people to
> make lots of different visualisations of the data would be the most
> interesting way to go.  certainly we discussed how the "map", and the
> google map in particular can be very over-determining. all the data is
> there.. how shall we expose it to applications via urls?  xml? json?
> something else??

well it should certianly be openstreetmap rather than google maps! :)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/

> 
> you have mentioned a few sets of data already. what else? any comments
> from others?
> 
> 
> best to all,
> 
> lisa
> 
> (remember you can also now access these discussions at:
> http://nodel.southspace.org/discussion/forums/discuss)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, alex haw <alexhawchecksmail at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > hi guys,
> >
> > good to see a bunch at the nodel meeting last night.
> > great work on the website lisa.
> > i thought i'd give very brief feedback, & will try to not make the
> > suggestions too graphics-obsessed ;) :
> > please forgive my forthright opinionatedness (& neologism) ;)
> >
> > 1 could we simplify HEADINGS into just ~ LON & ME - top ands bottom -
> >     lists on left have awkward middle section that seems to me to fit above
> > (eg RSS feed as tab next to events, 'discuss' belonging to node.london
> > too...)
> >
> > 2 the MAP is to me the crucial core of this all - the web of our nodes, our
> > collector - but lost right now.
> >    i'd suggest (graphics, i know) having it as a transparent underlay to the
> > main page, and as generally our core focus rather than dreaded reams of text
> > (like this ;)) -
> >    london's our playing field, our centre of operations, our hub, our
> > gameboard and meeting point, and it'd be great to see that visualised
> > immediately, at a glance;
> >    if people spend on average 20secs max on webpages, how can we get them to
> > get  sense of our extent and complexity and interest at first glance?
> >    shouldn't the idea of a 'homepage' conevy the networks of our homes?
> >
> > 3 all the components of top list - nodel or LON or whatever - could then be
> > clicked on to appear on the map, like layers in Google Earth etc;
> >    a time slider could scrub through events from past to future;
> >    a 'network' graphic could actually SHOW interconectivity, linking artists
> > to venues and events and groups etc;
> >    this all seems to be currently radically underrealised, given the data is
> > or will be there
> >
> > 4 would be great to visualise nodel REAL-TIME; who's online, which groups
> > are meeting NOW, which SHOWS & PROJECTS are up...
> >    (NB1 a simple idea though complex code would be to have the map navigable
> > in 3D so that the 'plane' of london is a real-time slice,
> >    and as you tilt you see events past beneath it and future events floating
> > above it, all extruded from the locations they'll happen at.
> >    something deep undergound took place years ago; a high balloon is to come
> > but far off and a tall extrusion will continue for a while, etc.)
> >    (NB2 if geo-location seems to be over-specific, passe and fetishistic, at
> > least it conveys more than minimal rectangles and this version privileges
> > temporality equally)
> >
> >
> > on the nodel season, i like the ideas being generated; graphically, i note
> > that the word IN is already IN resIdeNce, and attach a very crap sk of this.
> > note also - a million others doubtless have already - that the 'IO of 2010
> > is v binary and on/off -
> > nice metaphor for the co-located switch between dormancy and action, in and
> > out, us & them all belonging on the same plane, toggling to and fro....
> >
> > my best, alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > alex haw . .: atmos :. . 14 bacon st. london e1 6lf uk. +44 (0)7815 040 619
> > skype: atmos-alexhaw
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: lisa haskel <lisa at southspace.org>
> > To: Saul Albert <saul at theps.net>
> > Cc: nodel-discuss at one.server1.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 11:13:10
> > Subject: Re: [nodel-discuss] nodel news mailing list july experiment
> > proposal
> >
> > hi saul, all,
> >
> > I think if we put our heads together to work out what we really need
> > we can automate alot of this, eg. all discuss or announce posts going
> > to a drupal forum, people choosing to receive updates either by email
> > or rss, possibly also tagging and categorisation.
> >
> > We will need to think about the implications for the drupal site, eg.
> > determine what are the kinds of posts that will come and and where
> > should they go (announcements to be added to the calendar,
> > discussions, calls for proposals etc) ? we will need to make sure that
> > the web site is a suitable container for all of these.  Will we need
> > to migrate all list members to the drupal site (quite possible if we
> > decide its necessary)?  How shall we tag the new content coming in by
> > email?
> >
> > There will be other questions for the site that will come up.  I can
> > research this and shall we discuss on july 8th?
> >
> > Its a desirable plan for sure and i completely agree that the mailing
> > list is a great strength; from my point of view, we should make sure
> > that the site can handle this new content flow nicely before embarking
> > on this. it should not be difficult but requires thought and a little
> > work.
> >
> > bests
> > lisa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Saul Albert<saul at theps.net> wrote:
> >> Dear nodel-discuss people,
> >>
> >> There are currently 81 nodel-discuss subscribers. There are currently
> >> over 600 subscribers to news-l, node london's announcement list.  This
> >> is actually the major asset of node.london as a cultural entity.
> >>
> >> Although it is possible to follow both lists as RSS feeds via a
> >> mail->rss service (see http://wiki.nodel.org), it seems like a good idea
> >> to migrate all event/call/announcements to the website, and to
> >> consolidate the discussions on the site too.
> >>
> >> So - I have a proposal that will require some volunteer time from some
> >> of you, and could be discussed here.
> >>
> >> I propose that for the month of July, we close down the news-l
> >> announcement list, and a group of volunteer moderators posts those
> >> events to the new node.london website, then sends a digest to the list.
> >> It might look something like: http://tinyurl.com/nq77jo
> >>
> >> This will involve:
> >>
> >> - Someone (you?) signing up to be a guest moderator, and receiving about
> >>  10 emails, then posting them to a website. It should take 1-2 hours.
> >>
> >> - Transferring the node.london test website from
> >>  http://nodel.southspace.org to the main domain (nodel.org), or
> >>  beta.nodel.org or something
> >>
> >> - Someone (you?) responding to all emails to the announcement list,
> >>  encouraging people to post directly to the website next time.
> >>
> >> What do people think? Would anyone volunteer to be a guest moderator
> >> for the month of July?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Saul.
> >>
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