[nodel-discuss] jobs [was: Re: nodel news mailing list july experiment proposal]

[adnan hadzi]

dear all,

following your discussion, armin and julie, i wondered if we might also 
discuss jobs.

as we held the last meeting on october 5th regarding the ace application 
for the next season, in which one might hope for those discussions to 
happen & maybe to have some manifestations in one way or another. see 
minutes here http://wiki.nodel.org/index.php/Subscriber_Meetings - i 
just added the ACE application discussion there - but it would be nice 
to have some minutes there - if someone who attended could fill this in?

i haven't managed to upload the .pdf file of the application form to the 
wiki - so i simply attach it here, hope that's fine...

as we applied for several positions to be filled i was thinking if it 
would make sense to announce those over this discuss list & over the 
news list?
over the next two meetings (november & december) we could then discuss 
how these positions *could* manifest?

where/when should we have the next meeting? monday 2nd november?

all the best,
adnan


julie freeman wrote:
> Armin,
>
> This is a discussion list. Discussion takes many turns. Sometimes it  
> takes a provocation to get interesting.
>
>   
>> This was not to have a fundamental
>> discussion about the definition of media art old and new (which is
>> probably also long overdue but not my concern in the first place)
>>     
> If it's overdue why not have it? Why shut down the dialogue? I didn't  
> realise the discussion was about your concerns only. They are my  
> concerns, and maybe others.
>
>   
>> Thus, after the great work that Lisa had already done in that  
>> direction
>> I felt that repeated calls for now sticking some design on the site  
>> [...]
>>
>>  quickly plugging some flash-laden templates on to it
>> to create a 'showcase' for some 'art' or the other,
>>     
> Your assumption that the discussions posted are simply about dumping  
> a design on the framework are wrong and to be honest, disrespectful.  
> If the discussion had continued without being sabotaged interesting  
> solutions and further ideas may have arisen.
>
> In addition, I would imagine that everyone on this list understands  
> what Node is about and has it's best interests at heart (repeating  
> the ethos is patronising). Lisa and others are developing a great  
> website and feedback is being requested, and given.
>
> I believe that any feedback is relevant, and as this is a "communal,  
> shared space for reciprocal exchanges" that should be allowed to happen.
>
> I'm afraid that I find your attitude on this list aggressive and  
> think that it is precisely this negative crap that shuts down openness.
>
> Julie
>
>
>   
>>>       
>> Hi Julie and all
>>
>> sorry, but 'technology and its aesthetic' was just too tempting. I did
>> not try to give any definition of media art which would cover all
>> practices. the main point that my little intervention was meant to
>> highlight was about 'shared spaces for reciprocal exchanges'as opposed
>> to 'technology and its aesthetic'. This was not to have a fundamental
>> discussion about the definition of media art old and new (which is
>> probably also long overdue but not my concern in the first place) but
>> because this is a question which is relevant for the development of  
>> the
>> site.
>>
>> In my understanding, maybe I am wrong, please correct me, Node.L was
>> initiated to create a season for media arts in london that was
>> self-organised, somehow based on mutally agreed decisions making
>> processes largely free of conventional hierarchies, decentralised and
>> also 'open'. The website under development is supposed to, I think,
>> express those values and also offer itself as a communication
>> infrastructure which fosters those values and types of practices.  
>> It is
>> an 'architecture for participation', as Juha from Pixelache I think it
>> was, termed such a thing a few years ago. The ways this 'architecture'
>> allows communications to flow and interactions to happen is a
>> non-trivial question, it goes far beyond designing a data base.
>>
>> Thus, after the great work that Lisa had already done in that  
>> direction
>> I felt that repeated calls for now sticking some design on the site
>> would obfuscate some of the real issues at stake such as the  
>> question of
>> usage and purpose. I am very interested in good design or  
>> aesthetics yet
>> that also poses the question what is good design? After half a year of
>> structural work now quickly plugging some flash-laden templates on  
>> to it
>> to create a 'showcase' for some 'art' or the other, is that really so
>> desirable?  Good design would be integrated with the more structural
>> 'design' decisions made by Lisa and those who support her work  
>> following
>> a form follows function approach. Such a design would probably need to
>> grow out of the usage that is made of the site in a 'beta' type phase
>> wth early adopters and not just glued on top of an existing structure.
>> And it would probably need some close collaboration between design and
>> information architecture
>>
>> so much for now, cheers
>> armin
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> thenextlayer software, art, politics http://www.thenextlayer.org
>>     
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adnan hadzi
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